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  Love for the Hate

  by IronSharpensIron in

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  2. friends

  i just wanted to share a perspective related to my experience with leaving the jw.

  at this point, i have been df'd since i was 18. i'm 25, happily married with 2 fantastic children.

  after being miserably at odds with my parents and extended family, i've come to some realizations as follows.. i struggled with the conditional nature of my parent's love- talking to me until it bothered their conscience, then cutting me off.

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  What gets me was how parents at the Kingdumb Hell would brag how they do not associate with a disfellowshipped child or other relative so that they may one day come to their senses and come back to Jehovah. It is never about Jehovah, it is always about getting one's family back. That is the reason one will try to get back into the cult.
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  New "Become Jehovah's Friend" Video - The Ransom

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  : https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/#mediaitems/allvideos/pub-pk_e_26_video.

  sickening propaganda for our young ones.

  they've laid off on the "armageddon will be here soon" angle and now it's all about "hope".

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  In reality, hope is no guarantee of something taking place or happening. Hope is the feeling of wanting something to happen and thinking that it could happen. For example, I could say that "I hope that my boss gives me a raise" or "I hope that I win the lottery." Basing the way we live our lives or shunning our family members on the mere hope of something going to happen is very shortsighted.

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  A brother repeated a "rumor" from the platform last night.

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  i seem to remember many talks and articles in the past about repeating rumors.last night before going into the book study the conductor said something to the effect, "i heard a rumor and i don't know if it's true but the rumor is that in the future we will be using only;y videos at the door.".

  anyone else heard this "rumor"?.

  and whats up with repeating rumors from the platform?

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  I liked it when it was announced that there will be a special talk from a Bethel heavyweight and the assembly hall or local auditorium was used with several congregations invited. In the 1970's boy did the rumors fly. With bated breath, we were set to focus on every word. What we heard were reports from around the world of how much growth there was and how many crocodiles and rivers are encountered by our dear brothers in Africa to go the book study. Just another special meeting to push fear, obligation, and guilt.

  We would go home being disappointed and we waited for the next special talk.

  JW's like the word "special" almost as much as "soon."

  Oh, how I pissed away my life. I have known for years that no one is getting out of here alive.

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  Why do you get upset about family shunning you?

  by mr_doubtful in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i understand people love their family but i also don't understand why you end up caring in the end.

  i'm ready to leave and i 100% don't expecting my family to have any contact with me nor do i want them to contact me.

  if they are going to chose a man made religion over me, that's their choice and i will sleep easy at night.

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  I thank God every day that my children were smarter than I was and never got baptized. I know and they know that no one is getting out of here alive.
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  Not one visit, 8 years in a nursing home, and not one visit!

  by Raymudas Martini in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my dad{rip}, was a faithful jw since the year i was born, i'm 60, he died 2 years ago.

  his last 12 years were spent in an assisted living/nursing home right in the small town where he spent the last 8 years of being an elder/pioneer.

  when he went into the home, one brother would visit him regularly, but after 4 years, that friend moved away, and visitation from the locals ceased, for 8 years!!!!!!!

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  The Witlesses will spend hours standing by their literature carts sipping on their lattes and going from door to door hoping that no one answers while the elderly from the hall need help with groceries and choirs and many of the "forgotten class" wither away in nursing homes realizing that they did grow old and will die. If the Witchtower Bable and Trick Sobriety would have new light and let the Witlesses count time doing the above, it would be a win-win for everyone. There is no deeper feeling of self-worth than helping someone who is truly in need of help.

  The false hopes and false dreams they have are consuming the only life they have. More and more are realizing that no one is getting out of here alive.

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  New flip flop document - updated from last year

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  about this time last year i uploaded a document as part of my going away post.. as stated at the time i had to lie low, and am still doing so.

  sort of.

  mostly.i pop up rarely to chip in when my 'ardour comes up into my nose' about something lol, but still read the leaks and back-and-forth between the members here.

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  Well done and appreciated. This is good data to use when the elders come for a visit.
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  "Historical" Announcement This Week?

  by headisspinning in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my daughter asked if anyone has heard anything about a 'big announcement' being made sometime this week in congregations in canada and possibly beyond... in her words "it's like a biggggg long thing, they cut out part of the book study for it and people heard it was a historical thing"... any ideas?

  could it be the mexican branch closing or the theme of the convention?

  or something else?

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  The only word that JW's use more than "soon" is "special". Special meeting, special talk, special speaker, special announcement, blah blah blah.
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  Jehovah wants everyone to hear the message before the end comes

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when you ask a jw why hasn't god brought an end to the old system it is because he is being patient and he wants everyone to have the opportunity for everlasting life.

  they will say that every year over 200,000 become jw's (most of whom are born ins).

  the problem that i have is that every year over 130,000,000 people are born which means that every year he delays in destroying the nations there will be 130,000,000 more people to murder and bury.

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  When you ask a JW why hasn't God brought an end to the old system it is because He is being patient and he wants everyone to have the opportunity for everlasting life. They will say that every year over 200,000 become JW's (most of whom are born ins)

  The problem that I have is that every year over 130,000,000 people are born which means that every year He delays in destroying the nations there will be 130,000,000 more people to murder and bury. That doesn't sound very loving to me. If he waits another 8 years for the great tribulation add another billion people that he has to murder while adding another 1.6 million witnesses who will be on the burial duty.

  The Bible says that God is love yet every day he permits over 20,000 people to die of starvation. He has the power to fix that and He doesn't.

  That just leaves me Sour Grapes
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  My beef with the Borg is that assaulting a child is a crime, the elders treat it like a sin. Years ago I sat on several judicial committees where we asked for every little detail when there was fornication. I am ashamed that I was even an elder. How many lives did I screw up while serving as an elder?

  Witnesses may brag that we disfellowshipped the pedophile, the problem is that if the authorities were not contacted the pedophile is still on the loose and will in most cases assault another child who is not associated with the JW's. Of course, JW's don't care about "worldly" people because they are doomed to destruction at Armageddon which is just around the corner.

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  How the Watchtower Could Grow In Numbers

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if i were running the watchtower there are things that i would do to increase the numbers and increase donations.

  since so many older witnesses are realizing that the false hope they had of not growing old and not having to die is fading away like a frost on a sunny autumn morning, the watchtower needs to shift gears.. as it has been stated on this forum, the emphasis needs to shift from not dying to the glorious hope of the resurrection, the gateway to paradise.

  they need to deemphasize armageddon and emphasize "the way of life" that witnesses have.

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  Maybe I wouldn't go back, but I would feel better about my family who are still in lock step with seven dwarfs at headquarters.